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Haroon Moghul's avatar

Long-time reader, though I know I rarely comment. Still, there's a lot here, I'm really grateful for the thoroughness, generosity and as always appreciate your warmth, rigor and wit. But I have to say, a lot of this seems to hang on a particular description of God, namely how Islam understands the Divine, except that I don't recognize the theology here. Myself included, but additionally at least the Muslims I know, read, and study with, wouldn't recognize this conception of Divinity, either. Consider this passage

"As much as I believe in Christianity, I cannot deny that I’m attracted to the path proposed and foundational claims made by Islam. As I told Shadi, there is something very attractive about foregoing one’s “human logic,” one’s subjectivity, and surrendering it completely to this absolute Being who exists on a plane that totally transcends your own. In a sense, it leaves me off the hook from having to engage my subjectivity…from having to do the work, from having to let him—a fellow human—in and see my in all of my woundedness and vulnerability, to allow him in to share life with me. I wish he could stay up there and I stay down here submitting to his will"

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The idea that Islam requires us to forego our "logic" and "subjectivity" is itself a cliche, but arguably is just as true of Christianity (the Trinity, after all, is hardly more "rational" or "logical" than unitarianism). In fairness, after all, I could ask why God needs to be human in order to see our woundedness and vulnerability; difference from God does not imply distance from God. Yes, we believe God is above and beyond us, but that does not mean God is not with us, intimately aware of us, present with us at all times; from the folk wisdom of Islam to the deepest traditions of the normative period of the faith, no Muslim believes God is far away, indifferent to her, unaware of her, or not intimately concerned with her life

There seems to be a confusion of a kind here, a partial understanding of tawhid that needs to be engaged--because God transcends our material realm, and is apart from it, does not mean God is remote; we as Muslims believe God transcends time and space. To believe this implies distance, however, is to reintroduce time and space precisely after God denies these categories are relevant. Nothing can contain God, the Islamic tradition teaches... which is where the above seems to stop, forgetting that there's more to this specific tradition: "except the heart of a believer."That, however, is the part I'm not hearing. In other words, we as humans can and must let God in, as Muslims; more to the point, God being God, God is already "in".

We either come to terms with that or we do not, whoever we are and however we are. But none of this warmth, intimacy and presence are found above, conveying a rather dated perspective on Islam, that in fairness some Muslims also hold to, but I hardly think this is due to deep reading and more because we wander through the detritus of our tradition, often picking at the pieces we can find, the larger narrative inaccessible. Of course, if I'm misunderstanding your point, let me know. Maybe this works better as an in-person conversation, but I thought I'd at least raise some immediate reflections and concerns

Grey Squirrel's avatar

There is a literary tradition that goes back to the 1500s that blends Islam and concepts from Chinese religion, which I find very interesting. Like they compare martial arts to tarbiya al-nafs (spiritual training). They were addressed to people who studied Chinese traditional religion in depth.

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