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Stark men kärv's avatar

Some interesting ideas but a shitty article as a whole. You don’t define ”left”.

FYI - left is about wealth redistributiion, affordable life for all, fair distribtuiion of ownership of the means of production.

The identity (woke) people you seem to fight against are neoliberals = hardcore right. They use identity-issues to obfuscate from class-discussions.

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Thank you for this article - an observation I keep returning to is that in fighting against Orientalist sentiments, we must take care not to fall into Occidentalist ones instead. Islam is used as a shield for some, and a banner symbolising rebellion against their political opponents. But if this is the totality of their relationship with Islam, then it is potentially endangered, and perhaps not Islamic in any meaningfully spiritual sense: if one's religious commitments are subordinated to political identity, then in what sense are they submitting to truth?

If your religion happens to coincide with all your political beliefs and doesn't subject you to any uncomfortable questioning, then I'd wonder whether you're devoting yourself to God, or merely cloaking your desires with a sort of faux spirituality.

There's a very interesting irony at play here; the person who reduces Islam to primarily a vehicle to relentlessly oppose the West, may actually be allowing the West itself to determine the conceptual horizons of what Islam means to them.

That said, there are elements of 'leftism' that do align with Islamic objectives, which include fighting against oppression (but, even if two ideas arrive at a similar conclusion, it does not make them wholly compatible). Rightism, too, shares some conclusions - but Islam contains incompatibilities with both. There can be substantial overlaps, while also rejecting the premises of both.

What others may not have noticed, is that many on the left and right spectrum are themselves products of the liberal project of modernity - whether a MAGA right wing or a socialist, these ideologies share many of the same horizons, origins and assumptions about reality itself. A right winger may be offended at the liberal label, associating it with progressivism, but they may also share beliefs about democracy and personhood (which are not neutral observations, but philosophically and ideologically liberal commitments).

Even the elements of right and left which are "anti-liberal" nevertheless participate in political institutions and assumptions inherited from the liberal-democratic order.

This pseudo-Islam phenomenon may be a symptom of a wider 'liberalisation' - submission feels antithetical to the belief that the autonomous individual must be the centre of moral and political reasoning and legitimacy.

Liberalism has a widely documented tolerance problem - it defines itself partly through tolerance, but in defining what beliefs are acceptable or not, it cannot tolerate anything but itself. Those movements which are illiberal but 'tolerated' still must operate within certain legal and political constraints.

Islam shouldn't be interpreted merely as an anti-Western political identity....but equally, we shouldn't assume that opposition to Orientalism requires us to embrace the Occidentalist inverse. Likewise, Islamic principles may happen to converge with elements of both the political left and right without necessarily having to share the underlying philosophical premises of either one.

Kudos to the author - I'm looking forward to reading the others in this wider discussion.

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