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Haroon Moghul's avatar

Long-time reader, though I know I rarely comment. Still, there's a lot here, I'm really grateful for the thoroughness, generosity and as always appreciate your warmth, rigor and wit. But I have to say, a lot of this seems to hang on a particular description of God, namely how Islam understands the Divine, except that I don't recognize the theology here. Myself included, but additionally at least the Muslims I know, read, and study with, wouldn't recognize this conception of Divinity, either. Consider this passage

"As much as I believe in Christianity, I cannot deny that I’m attracted to the path proposed and foundational claims made by Islam. As I told Shadi, there is something very attractive about foregoing one’s “human logic,” one’s subjectivity, and surrendering it completely to this absolute Being who exists on a plane that totally transcends your own. In a sense, it leaves me off the hook from having to engage my subjectivity…from having to do the work, from having to let him—a fellow human—in and see my in all of my woundedness and vulnerability, to allow him in to share life with me. I wish he could stay up there and I stay down here submitting to his will"

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The idea that Islam requires us to forego our "logic" and "subjectivity" is itself a cliche, but arguably is just as true of Christianity (the Trinity, after all, is hardly more "rational" or "logical" than unitarianism). In fairness, after all, I could ask why God needs to be human in order to see our woundedness and vulnerability; difference from God does not imply distance from God. Yes, we believe God is above and beyond us, but that does not mean God is not with us, intimately aware of us, present with us at all times; from the folk wisdom of Islam to the deepest traditions of the normative period of the faith, no Muslim believes God is far away, indifferent to her, unaware of her, or not intimately concerned with her life

There seems to be a confusion of a kind here, a partial understanding of tawhid that needs to be engaged--because God transcends our material realm, and is apart from it, does not mean God is remote; we as Muslims believe God transcends time and space. To believe this implies distance, however, is to reintroduce time and space precisely after God denies these categories are relevant. Nothing can contain God, the Islamic tradition teaches... which is where the above seems to stop, forgetting that there's more to this specific tradition: "except the heart of a believer."That, however, is the part I'm not hearing. In other words, we as humans can and must let God in, as Muslims; more to the point, God being God, God is already "in".

We either come to terms with that or we do not, whoever we are and however we are. But none of this warmth, intimacy and presence are found above, conveying a rather dated perspective on Islam, that in fairness some Muslims also hold to, but I hardly think this is due to deep reading and more because we wander through the detritus of our tradition, often picking at the pieces we can find, the larger narrative inaccessible. Of course, if I'm misunderstanding your point, let me know. Maybe this works better as an in-person conversation, but I thought I'd at least raise some immediate reflections and concerns

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Unai's avatar
Jun 3Edited

Imagine if a Christian in the Roman Empire wrote an essay titled "confessions of a wannabe pagan" where they frothed at the mouth about the "beauty", "ritual", and "spirituality" of the Roman cult. All the while their brothers and sisters in Christ were being persecuted and murdered by the pagans. This is no different to what you are doing. Our fellow Middle Eastern brothers and sisters in Christ are currently being persecuted and murdered in Muslim countries. Don't talk to me about how "appealing" Islam is to you when it has been the cause of so much of our suffering and martyrdom.

Every time you froth over your "attraction to Islam" you are doing nothing more than celebrating a disordered inclination towards heresy. Islam, which is a religion that denies the divinity of Christ, His incarnation, His passion, and glorious resurrection, is simply and obviously not of God, and you cannot talk about "lived experience" as if it somehow is relevant to objective and dogmatic Truth. Despite how "orthodox" you try to appear you seriously sound like the "spirit of V2" "interfaith" libs (Rohr, Kung) when you spouse nonsense like this. Even pagans and witches have forms of "mysticism", and some aspects of what they practice ("lived experience") are superficially and aesthetically appealing. But that will never change the fact that they worship false gods and idols. In a similar way, Islam worships a false god that is identified by "oneness", which is completely anathema to revealed Truth. And it's not a little difference. It has everything to do with the fundamentals, which I'm sure you know. The problem is, how can you be so conciliatory to what is plainly not of God? Catholics have never conciliated evil.

Then you say, "I don't care about the good or bad aspects" and complain about "moralizing Catholics" without actually providing a reason why it is wrong to be concerned with morality in this very important question. Do you not see how problematic this is? Whether you admit it or not, you are subtly relativizing religious truth, pretending that its "aesthetic and ontological" aspects are in any way relevant, while being intentionally vague and opaque about it.

You're a Catholic, not a "wannabe Muslim". This isn't a light matter. Get your head out of the clouds and stop flirting with heresy.

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